tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3931579729864611467.post940731998844666923..comments2023-10-31T05:37:16.659-07:00Comments on A Guy in the Pew: A Climate Change Proposal: Changing the RulesChuck Blanchardhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01417638725063186710noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3931579729864611467.post-64762066972102122952007-05-23T22:34:00.000-07:002007-05-23T22:34:00.000-07:00Let me assure you that virtually nobody in the sci...Let me assure you that virtually nobody in the scientific community believes that climate change is caused by the sun getting hotter.<BR/><BR/>Here are some other sources:<BR/><BR/>From <A HREF:="http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/news/19990408/" HREF="" REL="nofollow"> NASA</A>:<BR/>"Many scientists have argued that the radiation change in a solar cycle — an increase of two to three tenths of a percent over the 20th century — are not strong enough to account for the observed surface temperature increases. The GISS model agrees that the solar increases do not have the ability to cause large global temperature increases, leading Shindell to conclude that greenhouse gasses are indeed playing the dominant role."<BR/><BR/>From the <A HREF="http://solar-center.stanford.edu/sun-on-earth/glob-warm.html" REL="nofollow"> Stanford Solar Lab </A>:<BR/>"Solar irradiance changes have been measured reliably by satellites for only 30 years. These precise observations show changes of a few tenths of a percent that depend on the level of activity in the 11-year solar cycle. Changes over longer periods must be inferred from other sources. Estimates of earlier variations are important for calibrating the climate models. While a component of recent global warming may have been caused by the increased solar activity of the last solar cycle, that component was very small compared to the effects of additional greenhouse gases. According to a NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) press release, "...the solar increases do not have the ability to cause large global temperature increases...greenhouse gases are indeed playing the dominant role..." The Sun is once again less bright as we approach solar minimum, yet global warming continues."<BR/><BR/>Finally, if you are really a glutton for punishment, look at the recent IPCC reports that give a broad scientific consensus on the issue. Heck, even Exom Mobil now admits that climate change is real. You should too.<BR/><BR/>I take the bibical command that we be stewards of the earth very seriously and think that command should lead us to deal with climate change. I just don't believe that Revalations should be read as a prediction of future climate patterns. We will have to agree to disageee on that one.Chuck Blanchardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01417638725063186710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3931579729864611467.post-58221310936849138602007-05-23T22:15:00.000-07:002007-05-23T22:15:00.000-07:00chuck: That link that you showed me A) did not den...chuck: That link that you showed me A) did not deny that the sun was getting hotter and B) did not deny that it might be a cause of global warming. And as for Dr. Sigurosson: pot calling the kettle black. See, what is going on is that people who have a pre - existing political viewpoint or agenda are going to claim that global warming is real and is caused by manmade industrial activity, and people who have the opposing viewpoints and agendas are going to do the opposite. Making it no different from - gasp! - the abortion debate (or anything else). The key is to view the issue apart from any agenda or viewpoint. Or at least any agenda or viewpoint other than Bible - based Christianity, as I try to do. For instance, if global warming IS caused by our corporate activity, well I am fine with that, because that is man's lust for greed and power, which the Bible calls sin, and therefore I have no interest in promoting or defending but quite the opposite. (Would I feel the same way had I not grown up with asthma? Almost certainly not. So in that sense, my condition was a blessing just as my being healed from it was.) So just like everything else, if one is seeking to transform and renew his mind from the ways and thinking of the world, the Bible is not only relevant on the issue of global warming, but authoritative.healthelandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02597322285407724205noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3931579729864611467.post-57067982084250906432007-05-23T14:30:00.000-07:002007-05-23T14:30:00.000-07:00Welcome back healtheland!Actually, the reports abo...Welcome back healtheland!<BR/><BR/>Actually, the reports about the sun getting hotter (and the temperature rising on Mars) have been widely debunked by the scientific community. One website to check would be <A HREF="http://www.badastronomy.com/bablog/2007/04/29/is-global-warming-solar-induced/" REL="nofollow"> this one </A><BR/><BR/>Steinn Sigurðsson of the Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics, Pennsylvania State University has this <A HREF="http://www.realclimate.org/index.php?p=192" REL="nofollow"> comment </A>:<BR/><BR/>Thus inferring global warming from a 3 Martian year regional trend is unwarranted. The observed regional changes in south polar ice cover are almost certainly due to a regional climate transition, not a global phenomenon, and are demonstrably unrelated to external forcing. There is a slight irony in people rushing to claim that the glacier changes on Mars are a sure sign of global warming, while not being swayed by the much more persuasive analogous phenomena here on Earth.<BR/><BR/>As to the book of Revelations, we will have to agree to disagree on its relevance to this debate.Chuck Blanchardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01417638725063186710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3931579729864611467.post-57250892077193837812007-05-23T14:10:00.000-07:002007-05-23T14:10:00.000-07:00The sun is getting hotter. The temperature on Mars...The sun is getting hotter. The temperature on Mars is rising as well. Those are both facts that must be thoughtfully considered in the climate change debate. I think that I should point out that being someone who lifetime suffered from asthma before being miraculously healed by God in a single day, I have no sympathy for polluters. Here are a couple of links that verify that the sun is getting hotter and that Mars is warming too: http://www.lubbockonline.com/news/092897/study.htm<BR/>http://www.blog.speculist.com/archives/000145.html<BR/>Those were the first two returns that I received in a Google search, I am certain that anyone who invests any real time in this endeavor would do far better. I myself have chosen instead to direct my time towards investigating Revelation for any verses that could be construed as a prophecy regarding global warming. I have found one though - Revelation 16:8 - 9 says that the sun will get hotter.healthelandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02597322285407724205noreply@blogger.com