tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3931579729864611467.post2169185313246937164..comments2023-10-31T05:37:16.659-07:00Comments on A Guy in the Pew: On the Inspiration of ScriptureChuck Blanchardhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01417638725063186710noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3931579729864611467.post-25419838469324759842009-02-10T09:34:00.000-08:002009-02-10T09:34:00.000-08:00Riley, I don't for a moment doubt that the people ...Riley, I don't for a moment doubt that the people living in NT times and writing those scriptures believed that the accounts of the creation in Genesis were historical. (They overlooked the contradictions in detail between Genesis 1 and 2, but no doubt thought these were "history.") Just as, as I pointed out in the original post, they thought the sun went around the earth.<BR/><BR/>Questions about the "historicity" of the biblical account begins to be raised seriously in relatively more recent times. (Though there is a wonderful debate in the Talmud among rabbis as to whether the story of Ezekiel in the valley of dry bones is historical or a parable.)<BR/><BR/>There is a difference, in the long run, between "facts" and "truth." The "Truth" of the Bible isn't so much about the details -- even the Gospel has some disagreements about who was crucified with Christ; though there's no doubt he was crucified. More importantly, Christians believe that his crucifixion was more than a fact -- that it had and has cosmic significance.Tobias Stanislas Haller BSGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08047429477181560685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3931579729864611467.post-92078970525703639672009-02-09T20:47:00.000-08:002009-02-09T20:47:00.000-08:00Very interesting post and very interesting blog! I...Very interesting post and very interesting blog! I am a former Christian (now an atheist), and my husband is a Christian. (A Lutheran, although we both started out as evangelical, fundamentalist Christians.) My husband and I have been discussing this very issue lately. His current position is that not all of the Bible is inspired by God. I think this perspective (and your perspective) demonstrates a degree of kindness and compassion that is not allowed by other views of the Hebrew Bible. On the other hand, I do have to agree with the poster who pointed to the genealogies provided at least the book of Matthew. As I asked my husband recently, if the Old Testament stories were not historical, why did the author of Matthew seem to think that they were? Surely he would not point to genealogies if he thought that Adam, Abraham, etc., were characters in a story. It seems to me that not only did the author of at least Matthew believe that the entire Hebrew Bible was intended as a historical narrative, but Jesus himself (who quoted Deuteronomy repeatedly in the book of Matthew) viewed these books as historical. <BR/><BR/>Anyway--interesting discussion and commentary! Thank you! If you'd ever like to weigh in on this issue at the Atheist-Christian marriage forum I've set up, please do! The password for participation is "discuss."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3931579729864611467.post-74268688185238286302008-07-14T19:41:00.000-07:002008-07-14T19:41:00.000-07:00Tobias,I'm sorry, but I don't have time right now ...Tobias,<BR/><BR/>I'm sorry, but I don't have time right now to properly answer your last post. But I would like to say that for a fictional man, Adam sure did have a lot of heirs (see Luke 2:23-38). Quite an accomplishment for a myth!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3931579729864611467.post-49541499508791797362008-07-14T10:44:00.000-07:002008-07-14T10:44:00.000-07:00Gary,Since Genesis wasn't written until Moses wrot...Gary,<BR/>Since Genesis wasn't written until Moses wrote it, how could it be the basis of the faith? Abraham had faith, because he knew God, not because he had read the Bible, which didn't exist until centuries later. Its historical accuracy is irrelevant to salvation. <BR/><BR/>And if it were, how are we to explain that the sky isn't a solid dome, or the discrepancies between Genesis 1 and 2? I think God gave us the discrepancies in the two creation accounts precisely to make it clear that this wasn't to be taken literally. Either the animals were made before mankind (as per Genesis 1) or after (as per Genesis 2). Moses includes both stories of creation for their value in teaching different things: 1) that God is creator of the whole universe; and 2) that it is not good for humans to be alone.Tobias Stanislas Haller BSGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08047429477181560685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3931579729864611467.post-82106128642265523812008-07-14T09:26:00.000-07:002008-07-14T09:26:00.000-07:00Tobias,Telling me about Santa Clause was not neces...Tobias,<BR/><BR/>Telling me about Santa Clause was not necessary for me to understand where my Christmas presents came from. Even though I was a child, I would have understood just as well had I been told the truth. <BR/><BR/>Those people in Genesis were very intelligent. Adam may well have been the smartest man who ever lived, except for Jesus Christ. God would not have had to hide the truth from them, or from Moses, who wrote Genesis.<BR/><BR/>Those in the Bible who possessed faith based their lives and theology and staked their eternal destiny on the historical accuracy of Genesis. Genesis is the foundation for all of the doctrine and theology in the Bible.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3931579729864611467.post-175231884112579372008-07-14T07:59:00.000-07:002008-07-14T07:59:00.000-07:00Gary,If your parents tell you about Santa Claus br...Gary,<BR/>If your parents tell you about Santa Claus bringing you presents as a child, and then later you discover there is no Santa Claus, do you distrust your parents on everything else?<BR/><BR/>When the world was young, God "spoke in many and various ways through the prophets" (Heb 1:1) but later through the Son. Jesus, the Son, used parables -- or do you think these are literal accounts, too?<BR/><BR/>Like Father, like Son.Tobias Stanislas Haller BSGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08047429477181560685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3931579729864611467.post-26849481268469827902008-07-13T21:05:00.000-07:002008-07-13T21:05:00.000-07:00Jesus, all of the Old Testament saints (Abraham, I...Jesus, all of the Old Testament saints (Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, David, et al) and every New Testament writer believed that Genesis was literal history. They disagree with the writer, and so do I. If Genesis is not historical, then the remainder of the Bible, including everything Jesus said, makes no sense.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com